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sterfield County, VA police & FBI agents. Please share & tag this photo to spread the word & help us to free Brandon Raub!!!
Here is a petition to Obama for his release, please go sign!!! http://www.change.org/
Here is an interview with his mother from August 17 - http://www.youtube.com/
Here is the group page to join for now - https://www.facebook.com/
I will keep posting updates to this description portion of the graphic, as I find out in what ways we can help, but I wanted to get awareness raised as soon as possible, please share this graphic to show & gain support for a true American!!! — with Alexander Emerick Jones, Stewart Rhodes, Paul Joseph Watson, Aaron Dykes and Kurt Nimmo.
Here is a petition to Obama for his release, please go sign!!! http://www.change.org/
Here is an interview with his mother from August 17 - http://www.youtube.com/
Here is the group page to join for now - https://www.facebook.com/
I will keep posting updates to this description portion of the graphic, as I find out in what ways we can help, but I wanted to get awareness raised as soon as possible, please share this graphic to show & gain support for a true American!!! — with Alexander Emerick Jones, Stewart Rhodes, Paul Joseph Watson, Aaron Dykes and Kurt Nimmo.
By: U.S. Marine Corps (USMC)
Update:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/orwellian-lawyer-of-former-marine-detained-over-facebook-posts-says-20k-civil-commitments-in-va-each-year-part-of-bigger-problem/
Update:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/orwellian-lawyer-of-former-marine-detained-over-facebook-posts-says-20k-civil-commitments-in-va-each-year-part-of-bigger-problem/
‘Orwellian’: Lawyer of Former Marine Detained Over Facebook Posts Says 20K ‘Civil Commitments’ in VA Each Year Part of Bigger Problem
- Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:29pm by
Jason Howerton
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The 26-year-old former Marine detained for making controversial Facebook posts is back home at last. However, the fight to figure out exactly what happened — and what may be happening all across the country — has just begun.
Brandon Raub was scooped up in Richmond, Va. by federal and local law enforcement officials on Aug. 16 for making anti-government Facebook posts referring to “revolution” and statements that questioned the official story behind the 9/11 terrorist attacks, said John Whitehead, Raub’s lead attorney and president of the Rutherford Institute. He was then sentenced to up to 30 days in a psychiatric facility on Aug. 20 — no trial, no arrest warrant, no charges filed. He was finally released on Thursday.
“They are doing it under a law in Virginia, a civil commitment law”
Whitehead told TheBlaze in an exclusive interview. And there are similar
laws in other states all over the United States, he explained. However,
according to Va. Code § 37.2-808, the statute in question, a person can be civilly committed if a magistrate judge has probable cause that any person:
Part of a Bigger Problem?
The incident raises a larger question: Is Raub’s case — whether you agree with his positions or not — cause for greater concern? Whitehead says yes.
Every year in Virginia, more than 20,000 people are detained for civil commitment and whisked away just like Raub, the attorney said. In fact, in Chesterfield County, where Raub was taken from his home, there have been 20 civil commitments in the past month alone, he added.
The civil commitment statistics are confirmed by documents found on the Virginia Supreme Court’s website. You can read it here (page 36, paragraph 1). The Virginia Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services did not respond to TheBlaze’s request for comment in time for this report. However, TheBlaze is working to get some clarification on whether the 20,000 figure is up or down from previous years or if the number is a normal average as well as some state-by-state comparisons.
“I knew there were civil commitments but I thought they were rare,” Whitehead told TheBlaze. “There has to be something more here than meets the eye. It doesn’t make any sense.”
Whitehead continued: “I doubt that most of these people are dangerous.
Because if there are 20,000 plus crazy people that need to be taken
away by police in Virginia each year, then we are facing a national
epidemic that should be on the front page of every newspaper and it isn’t. No one even knows about it, that’s the point.”
He raises a good point. Obviously, there are instances where local and federal law enforcement would be justified in executing a civil detainment order. For example, if someone is threatening to commit a mass shooting or making threats against someone’s life, the police are obligated to intervene. And they would be able to because they would have probable cause.
“If someone goes on Facebook with a gun and does a video like that crazy guy did at Virginia tech and said he’s going to shoot somebody, sure the police should arrive and they would have probable cause to arrest him,” the constitutional lawyer explained.
But he says Raub made no terrorist-like threats or statements. However, he admitted that Raub posted some controversial song lyrics and 9/11 “truther” statements, but added that there’s no law against that.
“The government infiltrated his private Facebook group. They were playing a game called “Dear Illuminati,” they were quoting song lyrics and saying other silly things — he’s 26 years old.”
Take a look at all of Raub’s Facebook posts here and decide for yourself whether the police and FBI acted appropriately.
Some of his posts include:
“We are investigating it right now. We just learned that yesterday and announced it on [Glenn Beck's] show,” he said.
However, that again raises the question: If there really are more than 20,000 civil commitments in Virginia each year alone and each one is legitimate and justified as the government will likely argue, wouldn’t that mean that there is a national epidemic of mental illness in the state, if not the entire country?
“It should be something that Congress should be concerned about and the president,” Whitehead said. “And obviously, they are not.”
Even if we speculate that the remaining 49 states in the U.S. see only 5,000 civil commitments a year — 15,000 less than Virginia — we are still talking about roughly 265,000 cases of civil commitment each year in the U.S., which would arguably be a situation in need of immediate attention by the nation’s lawmakers.
He also reiterated that the Rutherford Institute is getting flooded with calls, many of them from military veterans, who say they have been victims of involuntary civil commitments like Raub’s: “What I’m getting from veterans is, they say they are getting picked up by the FBI, mainly for 9/11 ‘truther’ statements.”
While believing that the U.S. government intentionally coordinated the attacks on the world trade center in 2001 is objectionable, this is still America and even those we disagree with have the right to free speech under the U.S. Constitution. That‘s arguably why the nation’s founders made it Amendment number one.
And that’s the point Glenn Beck made on radio on Friday:
‘Civil Commitment‘
Beck raises the valid point that Occupy Wall Street protestors and organizers regularly call for the overthrow of the U.S. government and revolution, which the host calls “treason.” Yet, there aren’t any reported cases of federal agents snatching an Occupier up in the middle of the night. While Raub is quoting rap songs, there are some people that are literally calling for a violent uprising here in the United States that arguably requires the attention of our government.
The Constitution also comes into play regarding the way Raub was arrested by police, said Whitehead.
“Before the police arrive and put their hands on you, they are supposed to have, under the Fourth Amendment, credible evidence that you are doing something illegal,” he said. “In the Brandon Raub situation, they told him he had committed no crime, they’re not charging him with any crime. In fact, the day they took him in they said ‘well, we’re not charging this guy with any crime, it’s just his Facebook Posts.”
“This is exactly what happened in the old Soviet Union and Nazi Germany — same scenario,” Whitehead added. “It’s Orwellian. Here you are picked up in the middle of the night by police taken to a mental institution and they say, well you are going to be here, so you want to do it voluntarily here or involuntarily.”
And that’s exactly what he argues happened to his client.
After initially taking him to the police station, police then transported Raub to a psychiatric facility in Salem, Va. There, Whitehead explained, officials said he could do things the easy way, and voluntarily commit himself, or the hard way and be involuntarily committed. Raub chose the latter, saying he doesn’t belong in a psych ward and was then subjected to psychiatric evaluation over the next several days, his attorney says.
But that was just the beginning of Raub’s nightmare in the facility. On Thursday prior to his release, Raub phoned his attorney and told him that one of the psychiatrists he had been seeing threatened to “brainwash” him and force him on medication if he didn’t follow orders.
“He said, ‘I’m really a little worried,’” Whitehead said, referring to Raub. “A psychiatrist came in and closed the door, pulled a chair up in front of him and said, ‘OK buddy, I’m going to brainwash you… You listen to me and you do what I ask or I’m going to brainwash you or force medication on you.’”
And though Whitehead wouldn‘t provide the doctor’s name to TheBlaze, he said they have it on file and are planning to include the doctor in question in their civil lawsuit on behalf of Raub. “We’re investigating him,” he said.
Still, Whitehead said the bigger issue are the thousands of people who are being “disappeared” every month in Virginia and across the nation.
“Who’s disappearing? We don’t know,” he said. “I’ve been doing this for 40 years, the government covers their tracks and they don’t tell the truth most of the time, unfortunately.”
Brandon Raub was released on Thursday. He has not been charged with a crime, nor do the police plan to do so, according to his attorney.
Whitehead said his opinion is that the government is doing this nationally, rounding up people, while also directly targeting military veterans and other “right-wing extremists” according to a previous DHS report.
Watch Whitehead’s interview with Glenn Beck on Thursday via GBTV, soon-to-become The BlazeTV, below:
Related:
Brandon Raub was scooped up in Richmond, Va. by federal and local law enforcement officials on Aug. 16 for making anti-government Facebook posts referring to “revolution” and statements that questioned the official story behind the 9/11 terrorist attacks, said John Whitehead, Raub’s lead attorney and president of the Rutherford Institute. He was then sentenced to up to 30 days in a psychiatric facility on Aug. 20 — no trial, no arrest warrant, no charges filed. He was finally released on Thursday.
Brandon Raub (Source: Facebook)
- Has a mental illness and that there exists a substantial likelihood that, as a result of mental illness, the person will, in the near future, (a) cause serious physical harm to himself or others as evidenced by recent behavior causing, attempting, or threatening harm and other relevant information, if any, or (b) suffer serious harm due to his lack of capacity to protect himself from harm or to provide for his basic human needs.
- Is in need of hospitalization or treatment, and (iii) is unwilling to volunteer or incapable of volunteering for hospitalization or treatment. Any emergency custody order entered pursuant to this section shall provide for the disclosure of medical records pursuant to § 37.2-804.2. This subsection shall not preclude any other disclosures as required or permitted by law.
Part of a Bigger Problem?
The incident raises a larger question: Is Raub’s case — whether you agree with his positions or not — cause for greater concern? Whitehead says yes.
Every year in Virginia, more than 20,000 people are detained for civil commitment and whisked away just like Raub, the attorney said. In fact, in Chesterfield County, where Raub was taken from his home, there have been 20 civil commitments in the past month alone, he added.
The civil commitment statistics are confirmed by documents found on the Virginia Supreme Court’s website. You can read it here (page 36, paragraph 1). The Virginia Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services did not respond to TheBlaze’s request for comment in time for this report. However, TheBlaze is working to get some clarification on whether the 20,000 figure is up or down from previous years or if the number is a normal average as well as some state-by-state comparisons.
“I knew there were civil commitments but I thought they were rare,” Whitehead told TheBlaze. “There has to be something more here than meets the eye. It doesn’t make any sense.”
John Whitehead (Source: Rutherford.org)
He raises a good point. Obviously, there are instances where local and federal law enforcement would be justified in executing a civil detainment order. For example, if someone is threatening to commit a mass shooting or making threats against someone’s life, the police are obligated to intervene. And they would be able to because they would have probable cause.
“If someone goes on Facebook with a gun and does a video like that crazy guy did at Virginia tech and said he’s going to shoot somebody, sure the police should arrive and they would have probable cause to arrest him,” the constitutional lawyer explained.
But he says Raub made no terrorist-like threats or statements. However, he admitted that Raub posted some controversial song lyrics and 9/11 “truther” statements, but added that there’s no law against that.
“The government infiltrated his private Facebook group. They were playing a game called “Dear Illuminati,” they were quoting song lyrics and saying other silly things — he’s 26 years old.”
Take a look at all of Raub’s Facebook posts here and decide for yourself whether the police and FBI acted appropriately.
Some of his posts include:
- “The revolution is upon us”
- “Sharpen my axe, I’m here to sever heads” (From Canadian rap song)
- Remarks promoting the 9/11 “truther” argument
“We are investigating it right now. We just learned that yesterday and announced it on [Glenn Beck's] show,” he said.
However, that again raises the question: If there really are more than 20,000 civil commitments in Virginia each year alone and each one is legitimate and justified as the government will likely argue, wouldn’t that mean that there is a national epidemic of mental illness in the state, if not the entire country?
“It should be something that Congress should be concerned about and the president,” Whitehead said. “And obviously, they are not.”
Even if we speculate that the remaining 49 states in the U.S. see only 5,000 civil commitments a year — 15,000 less than Virginia — we are still talking about roughly 265,000 cases of civil commitment each year in the U.S., which would arguably be a situation in need of immediate attention by the nation’s lawmakers.
He also reiterated that the Rutherford Institute is getting flooded with calls, many of them from military veterans, who say they have been victims of involuntary civil commitments like Raub’s: “What I’m getting from veterans is, they say they are getting picked up by the FBI, mainly for 9/11 ‘truther’ statements.”
While believing that the U.S. government intentionally coordinated the attacks on the world trade center in 2001 is objectionable, this is still America and even those we disagree with have the right to free speech under the U.S. Constitution. That‘s arguably why the nation’s founders made it Amendment number one.
And that’s the point Glenn Beck made on radio on Friday:
‘Civil Commitment‘
Beck raises the valid point that Occupy Wall Street protestors and organizers regularly call for the overthrow of the U.S. government and revolution, which the host calls “treason.” Yet, there aren’t any reported cases of federal agents snatching an Occupier up in the middle of the night. While Raub is quoting rap songs, there are some people that are literally calling for a violent uprising here in the United States that arguably requires the attention of our government.
The Constitution also comes into play regarding the way Raub was arrested by police, said Whitehead.
“Before the police arrive and put their hands on you, they are supposed to have, under the Fourth Amendment, credible evidence that you are doing something illegal,” he said. “In the Brandon Raub situation, they told him he had committed no crime, they’re not charging him with any crime. In fact, the day they took him in they said ‘well, we’re not charging this guy with any crime, it’s just his Facebook Posts.”
“This is exactly what happened in the old Soviet Union and Nazi Germany — same scenario,” Whitehead added. “It’s Orwellian. Here you are picked up in the middle of the night by police taken to a mental institution and they say, well you are going to be here, so you want to do it voluntarily here or involuntarily.”
And that’s exactly what he argues happened to his client.
After initially taking him to the police station, police then transported Raub to a psychiatric facility in Salem, Va. There, Whitehead explained, officials said he could do things the easy way, and voluntarily commit himself, or the hard way and be involuntarily committed. Raub chose the latter, saying he doesn’t belong in a psych ward and was then subjected to psychiatric evaluation over the next several days, his attorney says.
But that was just the beginning of Raub’s nightmare in the facility. On Thursday prior to his release, Raub phoned his attorney and told him that one of the psychiatrists he had been seeing threatened to “brainwash” him and force him on medication if he didn’t follow orders.
“He said, ‘I’m really a little worried,’” Whitehead said, referring to Raub. “A psychiatrist came in and closed the door, pulled a chair up in front of him and said, ‘OK buddy, I’m going to brainwash you… You listen to me and you do what I ask or I’m going to brainwash you or force medication on you.’”
And though Whitehead wouldn‘t provide the doctor’s name to TheBlaze, he said they have it on file and are planning to include the doctor in question in their civil lawsuit on behalf of Raub. “We’re investigating him,” he said.
Still, Whitehead said the bigger issue are the thousands of people who are being “disappeared” every month in Virginia and across the nation.
“Who’s disappearing? We don’t know,” he said. “I’ve been doing this for 40 years, the government covers their tracks and they don’t tell the truth most of the time, unfortunately.”
Brandon Raub was released on Thursday. He has not been charged with a crime, nor do the police plan to do so, according to his attorney.
Whitehead said his opinion is that the government is doing this nationally, rounding up people, while also directly targeting military veterans and other “right-wing extremists” according to a previous DHS report.
Watch Whitehead’s interview with Glenn Beck on Thursday via GBTV, soon-to-become The BlazeTV, below:
Related:
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- Marine Sent to Psych Ward Over Facebook Posts Now Released… But Who Could Be Next?
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Comments (123)
Con Armistead
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:34pm The truly scary thing is the “officials” allowing this to happen. These “officials” all take an oath to protect the constitutional rights of the citizens. In all parts of the United States cannot assume their several positions without taking that oath. Therefore those “officials” are the real criminals. When this young man said the revolution was upon us he was likely correct.Report Post »
poorrichard09
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 8:45pm Yeah, welcome to 0bamao’s Amerika!Report Post »
marybethelizabeth
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 8:56pm The article says there are similar laws in other states of the United States.I hope there are not similar laws in American states in Europe, Africa, or Asia.
That would be the real tragedy.
Any time a case is tried in the conservative media, which only presents one side, you can bet that most of what you are reading isn’t true. The people that feed these stories to the conservative media can reliably expect that what they say is unquestionably believed.
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The-Monk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:10pm @marybethelizabeth“I hope there are not similar laws in American states in Europe, Africa, or Asia.”
Please tell me what “American States are in Europe, Africa, or Asia”?
You clearly have a third world education. Is JZS your third world teacher? Oh, that’s not true. JZS in not in England like you are. What a …….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo
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marybethelizabeth
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:15pm Exactly Mr. Monk. You win the prize.You figured out something that Mr. Howerton and theblaze editors didn’t seem to know.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:25pm Hey MONK, one of my favorites at YT. The best I can figure, she is referring to those seven other states that 0bama mentioned.Report Post »
obamapoop
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:29pm Its true that most states have statutes that allow a judge to be petitioned or for officers, doctors, and therapists to have people placed into protective arrest and transported for evaluation. If they come to your door, don’t answer it. Don’t respond, don’t make threats, be silent. If they force the door open, fire at will. Do not make threats, notify family and anyone who can get an attorney. Use good judgement, if your loved ones think you need help you may indeed not be the target of the brown shirts.Report Post »
sillyfreshness
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:55pm Just goes to show Facebook is a government stooge spying on people. They found the perfect Trojan horse. Who would have thought everyone would volunteer to be spied upon? All it took was some stupid app with a stupid name.Someday very soon, ALL internet will connect through a Facebook server (to help further government spying). You won’t be able to look up anything without going through a Facebook server. All businesses will lose their websites and will be replaced with a Facebook page. So if you want to go to wikipedia, you will have to go to their facebook page. If you want to look up Ford cars, you will have to go to their facebook page. I cannot stand facebook from it’s stupid name all the way to its spying on users for the government. Nobody could have ever imagined or predicted that mass spying on citizens would be welcomed by those very citizens in order to use a silly app to see what everyone was doing.
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WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:31am The answer to 1984 is 1776Report Post »
inblack
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:55am This is what happens when you put your faith in govt.“Somebody should do something about those mass murderers.”
“Why didn’t the govt spot that guy and protect us before he went crazy.”
So now we have laws and govt that troll your emails, IMs, posts, etc. How do they decide who is a potential threat? Well it starts seriously enough, attempting to find threats and discussion of bombs. But then liberals decide that ex-military and survivalists are the terror threat, religious people and gun owners. The really sleazy types like Obama now see a political advantage, if we just get people to back off this talk of lower taxes, religious freedom or that crazy property rights talk.
And soon people are disappearing. First a few, then hundreds, then thousands. Some try to resist, but how? With guns? Oh those are just religious cult members, militia members, oops the smoke grenade caught their “compound” on fire and all the children and witnesses died. (The govt tells us they were abusing the children). After a while we look like the USSR and people are afraid to speak at all.
Oh and how many mass murders did the govt stop for us? None.
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West Coast Patriot
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:27am This kind of Tyranny is just the beginning. We have a government that is one party, that acts the same, wants the same controlling power from an illusion of a two party system. The biggest problem is the people, for the most part, are not aware, or do not want to be aware. The RNC has acted with the same criminality that everyone professes the Obama campaign is or will do. Most of you must be OK with that as you just yell out that Romney/Ryan are the ones to save America. The blind leading the blind.If Romney had this all wrapped up like everyone says, why is he so scared to allow Ron Paul to have his name placed on the ballot? He had the plurality of delegates from at least seven states, so the RNC tried to vote in order to change the rules at the last minute, in violation of rules, to ten states. It did not pass, so the instead changed the rules again and stripped delegates from their seats. They have committed federal crimes by doing this.
“If Ron Paul didn’t run as a Republican, we may have not known for some time that our voting rights appear to have been virtually eliminated. They have rigged this election entirely so far from the voting machines all the way up to the National Convention. From what I understand, the processes of suppressing the grassroots vote are similar in the Democratic Party. cont…
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West Coast Patriot
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:29am “The fact that the Republican Party is a private organization becomes legally irrelevant when the party convenes a National Convention for the purpose of selecting a candidate for Federal Office, in this case, President and Vice President of the United States. For all purposes the convention is an “election” subject to ‘Supreme Court case decisions and Federal Statutory Law.The Convention of a national political party is a “Federal Election” subject to the laws established by the United States Supreme Court and the Legislative Branch of the Federal Government when signed into law by the President of the United States.
U.S. Supreme Court Decisions and Federal Statutory Law preempt any contradictory Party Rule or State Law that attempts to deny a Delegate the right to vote in accordance with their own conscience free from any attempt to bind the Delegate to vote for a particular candidate.
42 USC 1971 (e) the word “vote” means all action necessary to make a vote effective.”
If the RNC and it’s rules committee make rules and follow procedures that disenfranchise or cause to disenfranchise voters and delegates from being able to “vote”, which it seems are many of the rules that the RNC has adopted, take your pick, it appears they are essentially violating federal election law and therefore may rightfully be arrested, charged with criminal activity, and may not be allowed, according to the law, to place a candidate on the general election ballot.
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West Coast Patriot
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:39am http://www.fox19.com/story/19356821/reality-check-rncs-last-scramble-to-strip-delegates-before-the-conventionIf all of you so called conservatives are alright with this, then you are not conservatives at all, but RINO’s. This is serious stuff people. Our vote does not matter. If a candidate does not bow down to the establishment, they take them out by any means. This is not a Republic, it is not even a Democracy, but a dictatorship involving both parties. If you do not realize this, then there may be no hope for you. I believe that the United States of America has seen its last days. I believe we are now a total Oligarchy and the people are too blind to see it. Well, “Goodbye Yellow Brick Road.”.
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Bill Rowland
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 5:39am Maybe we can get Sweet Old Barack and his cohorts to VA and then call the cops. There is ample evidence that they need to be commited as a danger to the country.OMG Nov 6, 2012
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Ray2447
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 7:47am This is all a part of the larger Marxist agenda going on in America, and being waged by the Stalinist/Leninist/Marxist/Democrat party. It’s been happening to Dads and men (incarceration without probable cause) for years as shown in “Witch-Hunting Males” at Youtube.http://tinyurl.com/65dpzwu
And in public schools, colleges, and universities all across America, students are “detained” in classrooms. Day after day they are made to sit through indoctrination sessions under the guise of “education.” http://tinyurl.com/44btbq8 I’ve seen Instructors treat students so badly, that if those students were the kids of parents doing that, and the students were minors, they’d be seized by the nanny state (child protective services). But teachers are the nanny state so they are getting away with it. Wake up!
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cloudsofwar
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 8:45am @ con…. this IS scary. everything we post on facebook or here is begin flaged if we use certain words. BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING or BIG SIS.Report Post »
mensa141
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 9:53am Think not so much about the laws but about the number of police and FBI that are spying on Americans. This is like speeding laws where the police have put a radar gun behind every tree. Reasonable law, perhaps, but ridiculous actions.Report Post »
lukerw
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:34pm This is what to Expect… from Socialists & Progressives… or any Government that does not follow the US Constitution!Report Post »
marybethelizabeth
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:12pm That spreading the US Constitution throughout the world hasn’t worked out so well.Didn’t work in Korea
Didn’t work in Vietnam.
Didn’t work in Panama.
Didn’t work in Haiti.
Didn’t work in Iraq.
The jury is still out but
so far it isn’t working in Afghanistan either.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:37pm MARYBETHELIZABETH, Let’s see. It didn’t work in Korea. What didn’t work in Korea? The fact that at least half the nation was not gobbled up by the Communist left and turned into the starving, deprived nation of North Korea? The South is productive, capable of feeding, or let me correct that, they let their people feed themselves and each other. Successful at manufacturing, as well as importing and exporting. I could go on. Oh yeah, didn’t a Democrat, Truman involve us in that, then a Republican, Eisenhower got us out, right?Didn’t work in Vietnam. You’re right. China, and Russia learned a lot with their partial failure in Korea and really jammed up the UN on this one. Then the really left wing loons began to rebel against the other left wing loons like LBJ, and oddly so many of the likes of you blame all of Vietnam on Nixon who actually got us out of there.
What didn’t work in Panama, I really want to hear this. We captured an international drug dealer who happened to have been the head of that banana republic and successfully tried and incarcerated. We also stopped further attacks on our troops stationed there until our treaty ran out that Carter signed. Then we moved out of the country. The Chinese run the canal now, and truly treat the Panamanians like crap. Which was not working, us, or the Chinese?
Okay, you are probably right about Iraq. 0bama pulled us out before anything successful could be done. How long did it take us to rebuild Europe? We are still ther
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:47pm MARYBETHELIZABETH,In Europe, we never took land away from even the defeated Germans. We were still paying rent during each my three tours there. Then we had to pay the Germans to take back the buildings and installations that we started giving (loosely used word there) back in the ’90s after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Oh yeah, IT did work on the Soviet Union, didn’t IT? But, back to Iraq, I do expect them to fall back into their abyss and their head of state will be hanging from a lamp post soon.
Afghanistan, I expect the same there too. Within hours after leaving Afghanistan, Karzai will also find himself suspended from a lamp post. That has been a rather common happenstance there.
Now Haiti is another animal altogether. Having help take in the Haitian refugees who showed up the heels of the Mariel Boat Lift I got to meet a few thousand of them. They were escaping a brutal corrupt government then, and again in ‘94. Didn’t go to that one, but helped on the R&D of material sent to Panama, and Gitmo when Clinton was scared to death to have a repeat of what Carter did letting all of those conservative voters enter this country. The earth quake has been a real mess. 0bama sent a corrupt state department down there to play hand shake games with their still corrupt government, and you are right. The screwball left here has accomplished very little there. Go look in a mirror.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:50pm MARYBETHELIZABETH, Oh yeah, got to add this tidbit. I used to work for a LTC who as a major was the officer who put hand irons on Noriega. Great guy too.Report Post »
marybethelizabeth
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:01pm RJJinGadsdenHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
None of those countries I listed has adopted the US Constitution as their own.
It was a joke
LukeW wrote Government.
A better choice of words would be Adminisrtation
What a reactionary you are.
Check under the bed for a commie lately?
Do you really think anyone is going to read your silliness
HEHEHEHEHE
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marybethelizabeth
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:05pm RJJinGadsdenI did end up reading the short one
So you really think getting rid of the CIA‘s competition in the drug dealing business was doing God’s work?
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:26pm MARYBETHELIZABETH, You apparently eat where you sh/t and it has affected your feeble mind.Report Post »
RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:36pm MARYBETHELIZABETH, You sound like American hating idiots that I met in the ‘60s and ’70s. No, we are not about to force an exact copy of our Constitution on any country. We have offered guidance, and allow them to govern themselves. I don’t swallow a lot of what this country does, because those actions are done by human beings who are always faulty at best. But, unlike all of those good intentions only developed by the left, I like to see actual results. If you don’t like our constitution I seriously doubt that you can actually make that major of a change with it. I suppose if you stick with 0bama long enough, he will probably destroy it to you liking. Otherwise, there are close to 200 other nations out there. Feel free.Report Post »
marybethelizabeth
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:37pm Yeah RJJinGadsdenI am blessed to have indoor plumbing
You really enjoy that trek to the outhouse, or do you just hang it out the window?
You must also be famous for inspiring the Lynyrd Skynyrd lyric
The smelledness around you
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The-Monk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:39pm Hi RJJ,No, no, no…. you got it all wrong. Let me elaborate. OK? Here it goes…
Obama Didn’t work in Korea
Obama Didn’t work in Vietnam.
Obama Didn’t work in Panama.
Obama Didn’t work in Haiti.
Obama Didn’t work in Iraq.
Obama Didn’t work in USA.
Obama Didn’t go to Columbia.
Obama Didn’t go to Harvard.
Obama Hasn’t worked well in the White House.
Obama Hasn’t worked well for the American people.
Obama Hasn’t worked or went to school anywhere anyone can find.
Obama…. is he a story on Fact or Fiction or a ghostly figure on Ghost Hunters?
No one knows…… not even MaryBethElizabeth.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:46pm MARYBETHELIZABETH, LOL, the only time we do that outside here is while out hunting or fishing. The last place that I was in that did not have indoor plumbing was out in California in the ’90s. Of course, when I lived in Upstate, NY there were times in the winter when we had to take it easy on the plumbing. But, it was best to run at least a little water at all times. Here, there is no problem.Report Post »
The-Monk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:56pm @marybethelizabeth“I am blessed to have indoor plumbing”
Just because you stole a Don‘s John and put it inside your house doesn’t mean you have “indoor Plumbing”.
BTW…. put it in the guest room and not in the living room. Wheeeewwww!
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:28pm Hi MONK, Sorry, just not got back to this article. LOL, good points all. I particularly like the suggestion that maybe Ghost Hunters should get involved with our most famous Ghost of all. Naturally, MARYBETHELIZABETH will say that is Romney’s tax returns. You know since he only released as many as John Kerry did when he ran, as well as McCain when he ran. But, you and I know the real Ghost. Hmmm, didn‘t Lee Falk’s The Phantom called the Ghost who walks?Report Post »
beverlee
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:16pm Why are veterans groups not speaking on this topic?Report Post »
The-Monk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:20pm @beverleeLike Joe Biden said…. a three letter word.
F E A R
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WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:35am oathkeepers.org isReport Post »
turkey13
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:14pm I don‘t have all the modern touch screen phones and won’t have one. My 3 sons and their wives don’t have them except 2 daughter in-laws have company phones but they cut them off as they leave work. I had to finall get a bew 3g LG in March but paid $25.00 to have the GPS taken off. I know where I am and I can read a map. One of my Neighbors has the latest Apple #5, yet she can’t get a signal out here in the sticks and still has #1-4 apple phones. Thats why my daughter in-laws cut their Co phones off when they leave work – AT&T just don’t work in S. Oklahoma.I don’t tweet or twit and Facebook is a government project paid for by DARPA and Google who sells all your info to make even more money.Report Post »
challenger101
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:01pm 20,000 people per year? How is this possible? Simple;. Go here to see and understand: http://whatreallyhappened.wikia.com/wiki/Gang_Stalking.When people make a complaint to the police, whom are in on it, the complainant is labeled crazy. When you read the articles, you will see why.
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The-Monk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:15pm Damn, now I know why all my posted complaints about people here on The Blaze are deleted. LOL!!!Report Post »
Teufel Hunden
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 6:58pm Hands off my brother! Even if he believes in wing nut conspiracies like 911.Report Post »
gdv7987
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 6:48pm They put me away in Rexburg Idaho. No trial, no charges nothing but a court order.Report Post »
Tigress1
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 6:34pm “No one even knows about it, that’s the point.”Well, if there are 20,000 people in Virginia, then that means that there are 20,000 people plus their families that know about it. Maybe they are too embarrassed to talk about it or something, but maybe now they will come out and tell their story.
I remember hearing about all the mental health hospitals that closed their doors because they were going broke, and people felt that the patients could function better in group homes in the community. What are they doing? Rounding them all up again for some reason?
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republic2011
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 6:25pm Hmmm.. wonder if all these people committing this rash of public shootings weren’t at some point whisked away by some officials, drugged and “brainwashed”, and then sent back into society with a nefarious mission (Kind of like the movie “Conspiracy Thoery”). I grew up in the 20th century, and, so far, many of the farfetched scifi flicks that many people deemed ridiculous and impossible have all portrayed events/times that we see now. What if there is something to this? Why so many public shootings in the US, all of a sudden. Especially just now that the UN is looking to rob us of our sovereignty? Remember how Fast and Furious ended up being about more than just guns and it involved the Mexican Drug cartel? What if this NDAA type sequestration is responsible for the mass shootings lately. Would love to see if there is a tie in. Why would they want to drug this marine and “brainwash him”, as the psychologist threatened?Report Post »
Mil-Dot
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 5:28am RepubI said the exact same thing last month. I absolutely agree that is a possibility. I would n’t put anything past the US Gov. They are as corrupt if not more corrupt than the old Soviet Union. No doubt.
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Mil-Dot
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 5:32am Also, I remember seeing that nut that shot up the theater in Aurora when he made a court appearance. He looked like he didn’t know what hit him. Like he was in a hypnotic state of some sort. CIA type crap for sure. Like he was controlled or pre-programmed and couldn’t do the math, couldn’t put his finger on what happened to him.Report Post »
Micmac
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 6:10pm It’s all in the playbook. Just the natural progression of what is happening here with the Hope and Change promised (Aldolph used the same rhetoric). Doesn’t suprise me at all. I predicted this when NoBama was running for prez, along with other predictions re: Nazi Germany, Austria, etc., and low and behold, it’s all coming to fruition, right out of the historical playbook. Was ostricized and called a fanatic and alarmist in 2007. Just read a little history and it’s all right there in your face, plain and simple. 20,000 in 1 year is 55 people a day – that’s a lot of people and a lot of work by the government to vet each instance, which the obviously didn’t, therefore, government running amuck, helter skelter, with no oversight. We’re a close second behind Egypt.NoBama > MoBama
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The-Monk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 6:03pm You better watch outYou better not cry
Better not pout
I’m telling you why
The Government is coming to town
He’s making a list,
And checking it twice;
Gonna find out Who’s naughty and nice.
The Government is coming to town
He sees you when you’re sleeping
He knows when you’re awake
He knows if you’ve been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake!
O! You better watch out!
You better not cry.
Better not pout, I’m telling you why.
The Government is coming to town.
You better watch out
You better not cry
Better not pout
I’m telling you why
The Government is coming to town
He’s making a list,
And checking it twice;
Gonna find out Who’s naughty and nice.
The Government is coming to town
He sees you when you’re sleeping
He knows when you’re awake
He knows if you’ve been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake!
O! You better watch out!
You better not cry.
Better not pout, I’m telling you why.
The Government is coming to town.
The Government is coming to town.
Or substitute “The UN” or “The Progressives” for “The Government” …. : (
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RJJinGadsden
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tothepoint
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:59pm Our government has classified servicemen returning from war as possible terrorists. They will do ANYTHING to make it appear as if that is true.God bless America.
We sure need it under this administration.
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randy
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:59pm Wonder how long it will be before Blazers are rounded up?Report Post »
Stoic one
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 6:38pm I am sure many , if not most, are on the list or those to be watched. I do not think that list will go away if Romney is elected either; those lists are kept by the alphabet soup agencies.Report Post »
The-Monk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:25pm @randy“Wonder how long it will be before Blazers are rounded up?”
Well, in my opinion…. hold on, someone’s knocked at my door……. ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
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justangry
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:29pm Yeah the libertarian leaning folks are certainly on a list somewhere. I’m guessing the Alex Jones crowd will be taken first. Being a Paul supporter is subversive, ya know?Report Post »
The-Monk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:01pm Hi Justangry,Nah, there aren’t enough Dr. Paul supporters to frighten Obama. And besides… Obama loves the thought of RP supporters pulling another Ross Perot moment. Anything that pulls votes away from Romney is OK with Obama and crew.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:59pm I am more interested in what Glenn was talking about in his radio progam….Is it true that Brandon Raub will be denied gun ownership in the future because of this detainment???Report Post »
The-Monk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 6:17pm Hi Soybomb315_II,If he’s determined to have or says he has PTSD (to have charges dropped) then yes. He will no longer have the right to own guns.
Now, what about all those Children that are taking Ritalin and/or Prozac because the school system says they need it? No guns for them either when they grow up.
Yep, no guns for them either. There is a Federal law that says “felon’s“ and people with ”mental” issues are not allowed to own guns. So far, twice to be exact from my memory, laws to mandate not only checking criminal backgrounds but also medical backgrounds have not passed in Congress.
They are trying to get all medical (which includes mental) records on an electronic system for just this reason. Do you or any of your friends have have Children on Ritalin and/or Prozac?
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soybomb315_II
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 6:37pm wownot that i know of. i have NEVER trusted the drug industry
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The-Monk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 6:53pm Hi Soybomb315_II,Your might be to young to remember this but, here it is:
After a conference of drug manufactures, one of the CEO’s of a major drug company was caught saying (because his mic was still hot and being recorded but not broadcasted through the PA system), “Our goal is to have every American hooked on prescription drugs in ten years”. That was well over 10 years ago. Look at all the Children on Ritalin and/or Prozac. Not to mention the relatively new ADD or ADHD.
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justangry
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:09pm Monk, I didn’t really think that applied to something as harmless as PTSD. Where did you pick up that little tidbit of knowlege from? Any links you can share?Regardless, you have the god given right to bare arms. Anyone that would deprive another of this right is the criminal in my book. I’d also like to see them do away with the felonies of anything other than violent crimes making it illegal for one to own a firearm. Remember violating HR347 is a felony offense. So exercizing your 1st amendment rights makes it so they can take away your 2nd amendment rights. At least they think they can. My rights don’t come from them.
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The-Monk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:30pm Hi Justangry,“Monk, I didn’t really think that applied to something as harmless as PTSD. Where did you pick up that little tidbit of knowlege from? Any links you can share?”
I’m looking for links now. Do you have a GBTV account?
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resme
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 8:09pm @themonk, I read your post from last night, Don’t remember it to post a reply. Did the blaze delete your comment?“After a conference of drug manufactures, one of the CEO’s of a major drug company was caught saying (because his mic was still hot and being recorded but not broadcasted through the PA system), “Our goal is to have every American hooked on prescription drugs in ten years”. That was well over 10 years ago. Look at all the Children on Ritalin and/or Prozac. Not to mention the relatively new ADD or ADHD.”
Parents are just as docile. I know quite a few who take xanax, colenzpan, and many different anti anxiety medications mixed together. Not to mention the public education kids are subjected to.
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The-Monk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 8:18pm Hi Justangry,“Monk, I didn’t really think that applied to something as harmless as PTSD. Where did you pick up that little tidbit of knowlege from? Any links you can share?”
Sorry for the delay Justangry. My newer link have been “scrubbed” from the Internet. Here are some older ones from the past (2007-2008) and it took a bit to find them. One is even a Ron Paul link.
Also, do you have a GBTV account? Beck talked about this on the radio this morning.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/hr2640/text#
http://gunowners.org/netb.htm
http://www.dailypaul.com/23787/veterans-disarmament-act-signed-into-law-jan-8
http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=54321
(Scroll down to reply #8 and #10)
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soybomb315_II
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 8:20pm nowadays, adults are readily taking prescribed drugs just to go to sleep. america is ripe for something – i dont know whatReport Post »
The-Monk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 8:43pm Hi Resme,“@themonk, I read your post from last night, Don’t remember it to post a reply. Did the blaze delete your comment?”
No, I deleted it. I didn’t like my response after re-reading it. I saved your question and the link and I’m preparing to send you a better response. (I will find where you are posting and send you my comment).
“Parents are just as docile. I know quite a few who take xanax, colenzpan, and many different anti anxiety medications mixed together. Not to mention the public education kids are subjected to.”
Yes, that’s a problem too. The school counselor and/or school Nurse decides the medication that a Child needs and the uninformed or lefty parents just agree because they also want the Child to be, well, not so “normally” hyper-active. I say let Children be Children and if you can‘t handle it don’t have Children.
I’ll get back to you on the other post after I feed the “crew” here. : )
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justangry
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:18pm @Monk, Thanks, man. No I don’t have a GBTV account. I’m a bit miffed with him to be honest. I know he’s still better than the rest, still I’m not happy with him pushing the wars by using whacky experts, the censorship on this site, and he and/or his people taking part in the media blackout.Report Post »
The-Monk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:37pm Hi Justangry,“@Monk, Thanks, man. No I don’t have a GBTV account.”
The reason I asked id that Beck went over this PTSD and no guns this morning on the radios program. The radio is free but to listen to it later requires an account I think.
” I’m a bit miffed with him to be honest. I know he’s still better than the rest, still I’m not happy with him pushing the wars by using whacky experts, the censorship on this site, and he and/or his people taking part in the media blackout.”
What “censorship on this site” are you referring to? I do have a few tips if you are interested. First answer the “censorship” issue and then I’ll give you the tips. : )
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planecrashlaw
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:48pm Justangry:For once I agree with a Blazer. I will defend to the end your “god given right to bare arms.” If anyone from the government tries to make you cover your arms, say, with long sleeves, you let me know. We’ll fight those godless bare arm hating commies together.
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justangry
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:06am @PlaneCrashLaw, Yeah yeah, it’s a typo. Blow me. Do you think the people that serve their country should have their rights taken away because the stuff they’ve seen makes them a little nervous? Or are you one of those universal gun control freaks?Report Post »
justangry
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 8:16am @Monk, Everytime I try to post about two prevailing theories of constitutionalism, 9 times out 10 it’s deleted no matter how I try and tip toe through the moderators.Report Post »
HumbleCitizen
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:54pm If this is all it took to have this man “committed” for a psych eval, where does that leave Francis Fox Pivens? Bill Ayes? the Black Panthers? Van Jones? the darling Occupy Party members? (not to mention many more)…all of whom spew vitrol much worse than this and they get a pat on the back.Bottom line…this is like the catholic church and contraceptives issue. Think more along the lines of “big dog”. Take down the big dog )or the leader of the pack) and all the rest will fall into place.
Silence the Catholic church and make them toe the line and that will stifle the rest of the churchs and make them comply. If the government can bully the “big-dog” Catholic (wordwide) church, then the gov’t can silence any church.
Silence/punish “big-dog“ vets with EXEMPLARY records and then any vet with any ”tarnishments” will be silenced.
This is cold, and it is calculated and it is NO coincidence. Obama plans to keep ONE promise…to fundamentally destroy America.
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The-Monk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:53pm 54.8 people per day, (24/7/365) taken into custody for mental problems in Virginia, is not the Virginia that I knew.Are these Progressives taking Republicans into custody so they can’t vote or own guns? Or the other way around? Either way, this is a serious problem. I’d like to see some yearly stats going back 20 years.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 6:34pm Hi MONK, I was wondering the same thing while reading the lawyers explanation. Something really smells fishy there.Report Post »
soybomb315_II
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 6:47pm “not the Virginia that I knew.”The problem is that we are too damn close to DC. Whenever they talk about eliminating federal programs, people in Virginia start complaining about losing jobs in the DC area. PATHETIC
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The-Monk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:05pm Hi Soybomb315_II,I thought you were from Va. (If you remember one of my other posts yo you). Are you close to Northern VA? Or Mt. Vernon Manor? (Alexandria) I grew up there and have worked in DC.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:38pm No i am in hampton roads. Its not DC but its not country either.Report Post »
Eric_The_Red_State
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:51pm With four bazillion laws on the books – it has been reported that 9 out of 10 people in the United States have committed felony crimes at some point in their lives.We did it to ourselves people –
The EASIEST way to take power from the people is to convince them they don’t have any.
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woodyee
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:51pm No comments on this case from the Governor of Virginia?Why aren’t the leadership of the New Black Panther Party and Louis Farrakhan in jail?
Why does the Gaybama administration make calls to city police departments demanding they stand down in the face of ows/blackbloc protesters?
Why is it that the same gobblement employees that are giving these serious and immediate threats a pass, spying on folks in Facebook and having them arrested for making simplistic and asinine comments?!?
This kid may be posting nutty things, be he’s not so nuts to ignore the nuttiness around him. Or us, as a nation. To the contrary, the actions of the gobblement organizations involved lend themselves to charges of incompetence (at the very least) and VERY worthy of further investigation.
Heads MUST roll if this kids Constitutional Rights have been violated, and if it’s law enforcement and/or members of the judicial system that are at fault here, they have evidently displayed enough ignorance to warrant immediate removal from their positions.
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johnpaulkuchtajr
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 6:23pm Hey Man,The rumor is that Governor McDonnell and Attorney General Cuccinelli spent the entire detainment of Brandon Raub huddled under a desk in an obscure office in the basement of the Governor’s mansion. Both had soiled their trousers which they simultaneously explained to be spilled coffee!
Why not ask them why they didn’t say anything?
Reach McDonnell at 804-786-221.
Cuccinelli is running for Governor. Reach his campaign manager at noah@cuccinelli.com.
I‘m sure that they’d like to hear from ALL you patriots!
As a Virginian, I am disgusted at their lack of leadership.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 6:39pm No McDonnell is above it all. McDonnell doesnt need to be governor of his home state because he has more important things to do at the Republican convention…..Report Post »
Christian Kalgaard
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:49pm why are so many veterans truthers?Report Post »
woodyee
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:53pm What do you mean by “so many?” Got a number?Report Post »
WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:41am Because 911 was a inside job, or at the very least they allowed it to happen.Report Post »
justangry
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:49pm Yes, I’d like to know who is dissappearing and why.Report Post »
The-Monk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:56pm Hi Justangry,Give new meaning to UFO abductions……
Unwarranted Felonies Ordered.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 6:00pm is it voluntary or forced….In other words, is this Atlas Shrugged or is this 1984? Guess we will find outReport Post »
RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 6:53pm Okay MONK, you asked for it, LOLhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQhUqiBCtSY&feature=related
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The-Monk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:58pm Hi RJJ,Oh Lord, I’m still laughing……
As soon as I opened the link and read the title I burst out into laughter. I had to stop the video after about 20 seconds because I was laughing so hard I couldn’t watch/hear it.
“Okay MONK, you asked for it.”
Yes I did and you socked it to me. ROTFLMAO!!!!!
Much thanks RJJ. I owe you one!
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 8:46pm MONK, you have no idea how long I sat around with that in mind, just waiting for the moment to use it. Just tripped over while looking something else up.Report Post »
team1blazer
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:14pm RJ, that is tooooooo funny. Are you in Gadsden AL? I grew up in Pell City.Report Post »
RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:20pm TEAM1BLAZER, Yes, I am. I was born here then shortly afterwards my family moved to California. We later returned, then I moved to Tampa in ‘73. Five year later joined the Army and retired almost 16 years ago and returned here.Report Post »
blaster21996
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:48pm I am a fan of GB, but I do get tired of him attacking people that do not believe the 911 lie. I would call myself a person seeking the real story of 911, I am not militant about it in any way. Nothing more to it for me.Report Post »
Eric_The_Red_State
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:48pm And the Black Pather talk about killing crackers – killing white babies – and NOTHING happens to them at all.We are entering “wonderland” people – where right is wrong ang wrong is right.
Where crazy people are in charge and the sane ones are being incarcerated.
Where it’s OK to abort a baby and the women want me to pay for it.
It will get worse before it gets better.
And I agree with Rush Limbaugh – Obama is not the number one problem – the PEOPLE that would actually ELECT HIM again are the number one problem.
Side note – BE CAREFUL what you post. It may come back to haunt you.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:46pm “part of bigger problem”….That is the same problem we have been trying to warn you about for a long long timeReport Post »
The-Monk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 6:37pm Hi Soybomb315_II,Actually, the first people to catch the Government doing this and to make it public in order to stop it was the Scientologists back in the Carter days. The Government tried to pass a law giving them the power to abduct anyone and hold them for 72 hours (I think it was 72 hours from memory) without telling anyone; even your family members. Most of the Dr. Paul supporters don‘t remember or know what was going on in the 70’s because of your “young ages”. Most of the current Libertarians don’t know how long the rest of us “old-times“ have been fighting the ”good fight” against the Government.
To me, you are just know starting to figure out what‘s going on and from the questions posted here today you still don’t know the complete story.
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The-Monk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:44pm “…in Chesterfield County, where Raub was taken from his home, there have been 20 civil commitments in the past month alone…”That’s about one for every (Mon to Fri) work day in a month. Sounds like there is a team making one “detainment” per day.
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hotstick5p
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:40pm nah… Not really…Having participated many times in the civil commitment process, in another life long ago, i can in good conscience say that the large majority of them are regular visitors to psych institutions, who have simply slipped their meds and threatened their own safety or that of someone else.
there are a minority of normal folk who, due to crisis situations such as marital strife, say or do things that get them locked up and examined to ensure their own safety and that of others.
The normally sane are given a cooling off period, and a view of what it’s like in an institution for those not so sane. Most don’t make the same trip twice.
And i doubt that any govt authority looked at Raub’s internet ramblings and decided to pick him up and subject him to examination. Someone was alarmed at what he said online and made a complaint to the cops.
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SocialistSlayer
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:37pm Welcome back from the War Comrade – Welcome back to Amerika! Remember, we are watching your every move.Report Post »